why did they take the hiphop out of electro?

  • Back in the 80s the electro that came out often had original MCs and DJ cutting shit up througout the song.

    Today that is LACKING big time, how many DJs tear shit up in the "new-electro"? Why is everything so structered nowadays? It's called "electro funk" but where is da real funk?

    The Egytian Lover once said "What is a DJ if he can't scratch" But the guy never cuts on records, maybe does a bit with Hashim live but thats about it.

    Lets not forget the "active" DJ that supposed to be a part of the so called electro funk wich is my point of this thread.

    Where da f is da DJ in electro nowadays?????


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  • It's all about getting mixed up with terminology and different styles of music.

    The terminology mess already started in the 1980s, when electronic influenced Hiphop/Rap music was labeled just "Electro", when in fact it was rather "Electro-Hiphop/Rap" or "Hiphop/Rap-Electro". Funky Hiphop world meeting Kraftwerk'y electronic music world. Both existed prior to that point and both went their many different ways after that point. Some new styles carried on elements of that old marriage, some only a few, some ignored it. So generally asking why "they" took Hiphop out, doesn't make too much sense.

    "NEW Electro" (see the "Electro: The 21st Century" section of the forum) covers a few different styles from the purely Kraftwerk ~ EBM ~ Techno ~ Minimal Synth influenced futuristic sound-design "Electro" to the very "Hiphop/Rap-Electro" clishee loaded conservative type of "Electro" and everything in between. Usually the one main element that they all share is the typical syncopated beat programming.

    But to make things even more confusing... take a look at the contemporary mainstream music scenes where noone gives a fuck about the past and just calls everything electronic "Electro". :D (See the "Electronic Music" section of this forum.)


    So objectively speaking, there is NOT only one "true" "Electro". Things got way more complicated since the 80s. When you look for a specific Electro style today, it's handy to use a few more terms to describe it to get the right results. What you are specifically looking for is still out there.


    For example a new one ...oldschool vibe Hiphop rooted Electro with rap and vocoder:

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  • +1 Nowadays the electro scene it´s really bigger than 80´s years.

  • Quote from Chuki;70182

    +1 Nowadays the electro scene it´s really bigger than 80´s years.

    thats not true, back in the 80s a true electro track by the name of "Rock it" topped the wordwide charts, everybody was talking about scratching and most kids (like myself) were breakdancing to the numerous electro jams that many radio stations were playing.

    Today the true electro scene is very underground, you dont hear true electro on mainstream radio or tv, where in the 80s you heard true electro all over the place. Planet Rock was the best selling 12inch in 83. Planet Rock opened the doors for many Miami Bass pioneers.

    If you talk about current electro house etc being popular then you dont talk about true electro..thats just a subgenre of house wich im not into. Its just not the same and never will be.

    real talk

  • Not electro house ... not popular ... I was talking about electro break , sci - fi electro , ghetto tech , machine funk .... it´s true that 80´s was true electro and was more popular ... but nowadays I don´t like the popular music scene but I´m happy on being part of the electro scene ... a really underground world !!!

  • Quote from defcreator;70189

    thats not true, back in the 80s a true electro track by the name of "Rock it" topped the wordwide charts, everybody was talking about scratching and most kids (like myself) were breakdancing to the numerous electro jams that many radio stations were playing.

    Today the true electro scene is very underground, you dont hear true electro on mainstream radio or tv, where in the 80s you heard true electro all over the place. Planet Rock was the best selling 12inch in 83. Planet Rock opened the doors for many Miami Bass pioneers.

    If you talk about current electro house etc being popular then you dont talk about true electro..thats just a subgenre of house wich im not into. Its just not the same and never will be.

    real talk


    but..........."get lucky" from daft punk have a little electro part on it,!! :P

    just jk

  • Quote from defcreator;70189

    thats not true, back in the 80s a true electro track by the name of "Rock it" topped the wordwide charts, everybody was talking about scratching and most kids (like myself) were breakdancing to the numerous electro jams that many radio stations were playing.

    +0.5(almost +1 ;D ), also Shannon - Let The Music Play, Freeez - IOU, Paul Hardcastle - 19 topped the charts, all being true Electro. Not much real hip hop electro broke the charts though, the closest probably being Macolm Mclaren and the World Famous Supreme Team - Buffalo Gals back in 82/83 and as you say Rockit. The hip hop electro sound was more underground even then(Street Sounds/Tommy Boy etc), Electro crossed over in it's more commercial forms though(Axel F etc).

  • Quote from Breakmixer;70461

    +0.5(almost +1 ;D ), also Shannon - Let The Music Play, Freeez - IOU, Paul Hardcastle - 19 topped the charts, all being true Electro. Not much real hip hop electro broke the charts though, the closest probably being Macolm Mclaren and the World Famous Supreme Team - Buffalo Gals back in 82/83 and as you say Rockit. The hip hop electro sound was more underground even then(Street Sounds/Tommy Boy etc), Electro crossed over in it's more commercial forms though(Axel F etc).

    the point is when i listened to radio back then there was a fairly good chance of hearing electro rap, that's cause we had a lot pirate stations over here..now the electro rap scene doesnt exist anymore on air..either its underground boombap style rap or commercial club rap.

    I know about GFR but thats an internet station mostly playing old skool, not the same as taking a boombox on the streets and listening to to latest jams that came out that week on FM

    probably the last true rap electro hit i can remember is Sir Mix A Lot "Baby got Back"..Whoomp There it is was also a big hit but thats called Booty Bass..but the 90s overall was the decade of Boombap.

  • Quote from defcreator;70462

    the point is when i listened to radio back then there was a fairly good chance of hearing electro rap, that's cause we had a lot pirate stations over here..now the electro rap scene doesnt exist anymore on air..either its underground boombap style rap or commercial club rap.

    I know about GFR but thats an internet station mostly playing old skool, not the same as taking a boombox on the streets and listening to to latest jams that came out that week on FM

    probably the last true rap electro hit i can remember is Sir Mix A Lot "Baby got Back"..Whoomp There it is was also a big hit but thats called Booty Bass..but the 90s overall was the decade of Boombap.

    We have actually recently (within the last few years) had a couple of Electro Raps in the charts, although sounding alot more commercial than back in the day...

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    Now we have Trap, which could be seen as a new/modern form of Electro Rap, although more Miami Bass influenced...only heard a bit of this stuff - but on commercial FM radio!

    ps check out these artists...

    http://sp-500.bandcamp.com/

    http://album.vinyllife.com/

    http://www.cutitupdef.org/ciud.html

    http://invisiblerockerscrew.bandcamp.com/track/thats-right-lets-break

    ;D

  • Trap is not really electro hiphop imo as you don't hear scratching like the old 2-Live Crew records and it sounds too commercial...back in the days we had Hip-House..neither was it pure house, neither pure hiphop.

    DJ Craze and such love playing it at paties but im not really feeling it..as if current music lost its soul

    But i know what you mean and it's 808 drums most of the time (prob software kits)

  • Quote from defcreator;70481

    Trap is not really electro hiphop imo as you don't hear scratching like the old 2-Live Crew records and it sounds too commercial...

    Yeah I agree - it's like it has took something from Electro Hip Hop/Miami Bass but doesn't pay homage to the old school - it's a bite of it really if you know what I mean.

    PS I was a big fan of Hip House back in 89, Doug Lazy, Twin Hype, Homeboys Only, Shut Up & Dance, Toni Scott etc etc, still got alot of that on 12"..... :blaster: Electro Rap/Hip Hop was dead at that point in time, guess it was the closest thing to it for me at the time...

  • Apologies for chipping in to an old thread, but this is something I've been thinking about recently. After years of listening to classic electro cuts, I've been exploring some new artists, and just agree that, although there's some great stuff out there, it does seem to follow the futuristic/instrumental/European path.
    I would imagine that the main reason is that most artists are just one person, recording in a home studio, making music for the sheer love of it. Which is great! But there's a lot of electro, and not much funk!
    I will admit that although I've been a pro musician for 20 years, with loads of contacts, even I'm finding it difficult to get a team together for my new ' delta city' project. Some good people are involved for sure, but the hardest part is finding a rapper who A-isn't a plastic gangster, B-Can pull off a good 'party' style, and C-doesn't rap with a over emphasised british accent. I'm a Londoner, and no offence to anyone, but that just doesn't sound right with the vintage sounds and production.
    If anyone can recommend any recent music with an old school russell brothers/jeckyll and Hyde type vibe, I'd love to hear it. The new imperial bros stuff just ain't my bag at all. :-/ shame.
    K

  • deltacity, check out the CBR - Underground Electro Volumes. I would say youw ill find the best current electro/hiphop tunes with an old school vibe on them..

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  • Quote from doctorcrack;72003

    deltacity, check out the CBR - Underground Electro Volumes. I would say youw ill find the best current electro/hiphop tunes with an old school vibe on them..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4hJCRQcYvI

    +1 on this lp, haven't had a chance to give it a good listen yet - just skipped through - but it is cool,

    @ Deltacity, I don't think it is the london accent that is the problem you are finding with M.C's but the way they rap these days is a different style.

    Remember Family Quest, Rapologists, Einstein(with CJ Macintosh), Junior Gee & The A-Team, some of my fave Electro Raps are amongst them artists, mostly if not all Londoners.... :cylon:

  • Breakmixer-yeah you could be right there mate. When rap styles started to change in the mid to late 80s, ( and less and less synths were used) , that was the time I started losing interest. It's just my personal taste I guess, but everything I loved about the music was disappearing, so I stopped buying. I'm all for evolution in music, but the actual songwriting suffered too much.
    Take, for example, 'fast life' by jeckyl and Hyde.Or aleem-release yourself. Those tracks would sound great being played on a piano! Or most other instruments.
    Could NWA say the same?!
    DC
    PS, I heard Overlord X- 14 days in May earlier. Rapping in a british accent done proper!! KILLER track!

  • From the City Beat compilation... E.P.G. "We Are Electro"
    full length versions (6:06 and 8:08) out now on 12" vinyl:

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    More info: https://forum.electroempire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10849

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