That Electro article on Wikipedia

  • interesting!

    i guess it's my own ignorance, but somehow the importance of YMO has always escaped me. Can you give me a couple of electro tracks that sampled YMO?

    On the other hand, I'd like to point out the influence of Yazoo .. I know at least 2 electro classics (Newcleus and Man Parrish) that have been directly influenced by Yazoo songs.

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    interesting!

    importance of YMO has always escaped me. Can you give me a couple of electro tracks that sampled YMO?

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    Electro as in mid skool hip hop/electro ? the bam one above and this

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  • To me, in the 80's as a kid, 'Electro' was the abreviation of 'Electro Funk', it was the same thing, and to describe it's sound I would say it was 'synthesizer funk/hip hop from outer space' ;D ...

    I viewed the genre hip hop to be the same genre as electro funk, I viewed Grandmaster Flash - White Lines as Jazz Funk back then(not hip hop or electro),

    I found 2 records back then strange though, Cybotron - Techno City and Man Parrish's LP, because the weren't 100%(or at all hip hop based),

    then also got into stuff like early Kurtis Blow(with it's Go-Go influence) and also the Def Jam stuff and started to slowly make a distinction between hip hop & electro...eventually in the 80's electro died out to be replaced by house and hip hop...

    I mean stuff like Man Parrish's LP, some of the tracks on their could not be called Electro Funk, 'Six Simple synthesizers' for example, but 'Hip Hop Be Bop' definately was(for me) Electro Funk.

    I don't think the artists back then were making 'Electro Funk', they where probably just making hip hop based music with Drum Machines and Synthesizers, the term 'Electro' hit the UK with the Street Sounds compilations as far as I was concerned back then, it was the first I'd heard of it anyway...

    That's just my personal opinion of it, wether the term was in great use(describing the music talked about here) before 1982 I don't know...

    Oh yes, I even viewed Freeez - IOU, Pop Goes My Love and Shannon - Let The Music Play as Electro Funk back then...I still do now actually...

  • Quote from Breakmixer;59433

    I don't think the artists back then were making 'Electro Funk', they where probably just making hip hop based music with Drum Machines and Synthesizers, the term 'Electro' hit the UK with the Street Sounds compilations as far as I was concerned back then, it was the first I'd heard of it anyway...

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    Cosmo D of Newcleus wrote on a similar thread here on EE some years back the same.. that back in the day he was simply making hip hop music as were all the other artists that we deem now to have been making 'electrofunk' out of New York, Cosmo had never heard of the term 'electrofunk' till the mid 90's...

    ELECTROFUNK is a subsidiary of HIP HOP MUSIC AND CULTURE, don't you forget it suckaz...

  • Quote from bhose;59437

    Cosmo D of Newcleus wrote on a similar thread here on EE some years back the same.. that back in the day he was simply making hip hop music as were all the other artists that we deem now to have been making 'electrofunk' out of New York, Cosmo had never heard of the term 'electrofunk' till the mid 90's...

    If you listen to alot of the music from that era, it was the equipement being used, you had Italo disco, New Wave etc etc, all had a similarity, but we liked a certain strain of this synth music, that being Electro funk,

    even listening to the early electro's(Street sounds), like Project Future - Ray-Gun-Omics, this wasn't a hip hop record really, and some of the early electro stuff, '2, 3, Break' etc was more hip hop than electro funk, it was packaged as a movement by Street Sounds, I don't think it was an Electro Movement(not in the beggining anyway), just the artists where using the same equipment, Roland 808, Linn Drum, Prophet 5, Pro Ones etc...

    I think the early 80's UK Movement was more a hip hop thing, breakdancing, popping, dj, mc's, it was just back then our prefered beats where Electro Funk, Twilight 22, Arthur Baker, Newcleus, Captain Rock, Soul Sonic Force...These beats were great for Popping too...

    for me Electro Funk had it's Real hayday 1982 - 1984, after that it got watered and watered down to non-existence, once digital synths and the M1 came along and analog wasn't cool, and the hip hop artist where using samplers instead to ripp tracks...

    For me 1982,83,84 define Electro Funk...

  • Quote from Breakmixer;59438

    If you listen to alot of the music from that era, it was the equipement being used, you had Italo disco, New Wave etc etc, all had a similarity, but we liked a certain strain of this synth music, that being Electro funk,

    even listening to the early electro's(Street sounds), like Project Future - Ray-Gun-Omics, this wasn't a hip hop record really, and some of the early electro stuff, '2, 3, Break' etc was more hip hop than electro funk, it was packaged as a movement by Street Sounds, I don't think it was an Electro Movement(not in the beggining anyway), just the artists where using the same equipment, Roland 808, Linn Drum, Prophet 5, Pro Ones etc...

    I think the early 80's UK Movement was more a hip hop thing, breakdancing, popping, dj, mc's, it was just back then our prefered beats where Electro Funk, Twilight 22, Arthur Baker, Newcleus, Captain Rock, Soul Sonic Force...These beats were great for Popping too...

    for me Electro Funk had it's Real hayday 1982 - 1984, after that it got watered and watered down to non-existence, once digital synths and the M1 came along and analog wasn't cool, and the hip hop artist where using samplers instead to ripp tracks...

    For me 1982,83,84 define Electro Funk...

    haha.. at last someone talks sense... :P :D 8)

    ELECTROFUNK is a subsidiary of HIP HOP MUSIC AND CULTURE, don't you forget it suckaz...

  • Although Cybotron was already doing 'electro' before Planet Rock, he also wasn't making 'electro', I'm sure even back then he was calling it 'techno', he was influenced by Kraftwerk, New Wave and P-Funk...not hip hop(as told to me by Aux88).

    Funny how they also say that Planet Rock started it, because Man Parrish was doing his stuff at the same time, and the 'woof, woof, woof, woof-woof' was Arthur Bakers and co's little joke on 'Play At Your Own Risk' - because Man Parrish - Hip Hop Be Bop had 'woofs' on it.

    I think hip hop influenced Herbie Hancock to make 'Rockit' and in turn 'Rockit' influenced Aleem to make 'Release Yourself', I read that on some Aleem album write-up,

    So you did have some artists then starting to borrow ideas from each other, hence more artists started making 'Electro Funk', but really it was synthesizer funk backed hip hop music.
    Hip Hop was a bigger movement than Electro Funk. I'm sure it was only us in the UK that called it Electro Funk back then...

    I've also read many times these old school artist refer to that early stuff as either hip hop or just dance music, I also did read that Afrika Bambaataa coined the 'Electro Funk' tag to describe his Planet Rock sound back then...

    Funny though that Miami Bass was mainly influenced by Planet Rock, but is Miami Bass the same style/music as Electro Funk? I think not...closely related though.

    Maybe(Just maybe), 'Electro' should just be seen as the umbrella to which all the sub-catergorys fit today, and yes the term has been hi-jacked by house/modern dance, but we all know the score there... ;)
    but alot of artist oppose this take on it, see it as just 'music' and hate pigeon holing and genre lables.

    Disclaimer - this is all just my personal opinion ;)

  • Quote from Breakmixer;59470

    Although Cybotron was already doing 'electro' before Planet Rock, he also wasn't making 'electro', I'm sure even back then he was calling it 'techno', he was influenced by Kraftwerk, New Wave and P-Funk...not hip hop(as told to me by Aux88).

    That maybe true of the original version of Clear but the version we all know and love is the Jose 'Animal' Diaz remix, and Jose was a New York 'HIP HOP' DJ, specialising in New York's brand of 'electrofunk' of the time (or what he must have thought was hip hop)... and Clear imo is his best choon...

    Technocity? Awful rubbish that definitely isn't hip hop and I would never contest that it is! Techno historians can lay claim to that and have it...:D

    ELECTROFUNK is a subsidiary of HIP HOP MUSIC AND CULTURE, don't you forget it suckaz...

  • Quote from Breakmixer;59470

    Funny how they also say that Planet Rock started it, because Man Parrish was doing his stuff at the same time, and the 'woof, woof, woof, woof-woof' was Arthur Bakers and co's little joke on 'Play At Your Own Risk' - because Man Parrish - Hip Hop Be Bop had 'woofs' on it.

    Would be interesting to get this confirmed or cleared up somehow. I always assumed that Planet Rock was first. I mean they are both from 1982, but maybe somebody has the exact release dates?

    Planet Rock WAS a historical divide, that much is certain. "Clear" (1983) was influenced by Planet Rock; it even contains parts of Planet Rock's melody. The same applies to "Pack Jam" - there was an earlier version from 1981, but the version we all know all of a sudden features parts of Planet Rock's melody.

  • Quote from lj;59478

    Would be interesting to get this confirmed or cleared up somehow. I always assumed that Planet Rock was first. I mean they are both from 1982, but maybe somebody has the exact release dates?

    Planet Rock WAS a historical divide, that much is certain. "Clear" (1983) was influenced by Planet Rock; it even contains parts of Planet Rock's melody. The same applies to "Pack Jam" - there was an earlier version from 1981, but the version we all know all of a sudden features parts of Planet Rock's melody.

    "I was in the studio when they were recording it. We all recorded in the same studio [Vanguard in NYC] Soul Sonic was first - then I'd record - then after my session was Freeze Force with "I.O.U." I remember hearing Planet Rock and thinking that "this song is gonna be MAJOR "... It was...!!"

    http://www.manparrish.com/interview/interview4.asp

  • Quote from lj;59478

    Would be interesting to get this confirmed or cleared up somehow. I always assumed that Planet Rock was first. I mean they are both from 1982, but maybe somebody has the exact release dates?

    Planet Rock WAS a historical divide, that much is certain. "Clear" (1983) was influenced by Planet Rock; it even contains parts of Planet Rock's melody. The same applies to "Pack Jam" - there was an earlier version from 1981, but the version we all know all of a sudden features parts of Planet Rock's melody.

    Maybe it was 1. Planet Rock 2. Hip Hop Be Bop

    found it... ;D

    http://www.manparrish.com/interview/interview2.asp this says it's looking for the perfect beat with the p-take...not Play At Your Own Risk :-/ Silly Me...

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    I'm also intrigued to hear the version of Clear we know on the 12" is a remix, I'd like to hear the original without it remixed....it's not on the 12"...

    also an Arthur Baker interview with SOS about Planet Rock here...

    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov08/arti…tracks_1108.htm

    :cylon:

  • As you can see in the previous posts, electro was getting made and getting called electro in the 70s, by people who had no connection with hip hop.... DEAL with it and move on

  • Quote from lj;59478

    Would be interesting to get this confirmed or cleared up somehow. I always assumed that Planet Rock was first. I mean they are both from 1982, but maybe somebody has the exact release dates?


    What about Scorpio? Also 1982...

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  • Quote from Breakmixer;59470

    Although Cybotron was already doing 'electro' before Planet Rock, he also wasn't making 'electro', I'm sure even back then he was calling it 'techno', he was influenced by Kraftwerk, New Wave and P-Funk...not hip hop(as told to me by Aux88).

    I 've spoken with aux 88 about this and they told me that NYC hip hop electro sound of that era didn't had that mass appeal to Detroit,Chicago etc. than had in other states...ok so far
    I ve also heard Juan Atkins saying in a workshop here in Athens that he wasn't influenced by Planet Rock but he knew the tune, he had heard it.
    He was calling his music back then techno bass (if i remember his words correct)though both cosmic cars (1982) & clear (1983), especially clear has a strong Planet Rock influence in the sound.
    It just seems very difficult to me that many people around US the same time have the same idea of produce that style of electro...realistic someone did it first, someone gave a more specific direction to this sound first and all the rest follow. I believe it was Planet Rock, i believe it was Arthur Baker's knowledge in music & technical part, Robbie's also and of course Bambaataa's sense of groove.

    Funny thing is that i read somewhere some Baker's words where he said that when he bought a TR-808 the Planet Rock sequencing was already there saved by the previous owner ;D

  • Thanks for the interview, that was very insightful! And if you read it to the end (his Electro top 5), you see how important Kraftwerk was ... not only for him, but for the whole scene. So (coming full circle) I'd still say the article is wrong in putting too much emphasis on rather obscure influences like Cat Stevens, Ryuichi Sakamoto/YMO or even Thomas Dolby.

  • Quote from lj;59478

    Would be interesting to get this confirmed or cleared up somehow. I always assumed that Planet Rock was first. I mean they are both from 1982, but maybe somebody has the exact release dates?

    Planet Rock WAS a historical divide, that much is certain. "Clear" (1983) was influenced by Planet Rock; it even contains parts of Planet Rock's melody. The same applies to "Pack Jam" - there was an earlier version from 1981, but the version we all know all of a sudden features parts of Planet Rock's melody.

    'Planet Rock' (May '82) was released 6 months before 'Hip Hop Be Bop' (Nov '82). At least that's when they first came into the UK on import.

    I go into a lot of this stuff over at electrofunkroots, which has just undergone a complete re-design with loads of new content added:
    http://www.electrofunkroots.co.uk

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