Posts by wex

Quote from DJR21;64946

Wex,
I did not disagree that the numbers beat is heavily used.
I disagree with the fact that if a song does not use that particuar beat, vocoders etc then it is not electro. That is what you and your friend Wiki are saying right ?

But confirm that electro formula is "boom tchack". About vocoder - it's just typical electro thing, but not mandatory. Are TEE and Numbers so different?

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Anyway, we are always going to have different opinions, at least mine are from experience and not a dodgy web site.

So describe you experience.

Quote from DJR21;64941

That Wikipedia article is awful.
If you need Wiki to tell you what electro is...you might as well give up now.
By the definition written there...most classic electro tracks are not electro.

Write better, how you can see it. With what exactly you do not agree? You wrote it:

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Quote from Starchild;64936

This is not about what style is what, and why they sound the way they do, it is about the term ( word ) Electro, and how it relates to the issue we have in the Electro Bass and Electro Funk scene with people not liking other genres like Electro House, and Electro Disco calling it that, or Electro for short.

Yep, because it's right. Electro it's a umbrella term for all substyles of our breakbeat electro, it's only it may have this name.

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People in our scene are hell bent on claiming the term Electro as their own, and it is not gonna work for one simple reason: The term has been used for ages to define Electronic music as a whole in other circles, meaning that anything Electronic can be called Electro.

it's never be, probably it's only at your mind.

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Am i saying call Trance, DnB, or Techno Electro Trance or Electro DnB? No! But when someone says they make Electro, and it is not Electro Funk or Bass, dont say it isnt Electro because essentially, historically speaking, it is.

But it turns out that you implies this, so your point of view also will not work. And confusion started with electroclash, and continue with electro house, cause electro community lazy to educate, spread word of electro in the masses Missed the point... But now when electro rising a little, we will be able to fix situation, of cause if we need it.

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The word Electro did not come from the word Electro Funk, it was there before...Electronic music did not start with Kraftwerk, it was there way before. People need to understand this..

EM always was marked as electronic, not electro. And Electro as name of our style still come from the word Electro Funk.

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If our music is to survive and grow, then its members and contributors need to emphasize the style of Electro we do, so that it stands out from the rest. This forum is mainly about Electro Funk and Electro Bass...that is what we need to call it. Calling it just Electro is like saying we simply do music....how is anyone supposed to know that it is any different than anything else if you dont define what it is by style?

Also we have not only Electro Funk or Bass, as well as IDM, techno etc, so you multiple wrong

Quote from Cozmo D;64926

Well, by the definition that you used Kraftwerk made very little Electro, and didn't make ANY until "Numbers". So we can't very well say that they are an Electro group, can we? BTW, I gather that you don't consider Yellow Magic Orchestra Electro either, because by your chronology they beat Kraftwerk by a good 3 years. Shit, I wrote "Computer Age" in 1981, maybe I invented Electro!

TEE was it 77, "Numbers" is just for more characteristic example: "its syncopated rhythm is fundamentally built on the base model "kick-snare-kick-kick-snare-kick" whose typical example is the piece of Kraftwerk's "Numbers'''.

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I didn't call YOU stupid, I called the definitions that you copied and pasted stupid. You didn't write them, did you?

I'm understood, and I'm asked you to write not stupid characteristic of disco and electro.

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@wex....do you really not see the different decade sections of the forum? edm i would say is just another name for electronic music, not some other form. it just happened to be called that at a specific time in history, which would probably give the notion it is some other style.

Anyway, i am done with you man, you are making me beat dust at this point...

Man, you don't answered for my question!

This forum is not dedicated to all electronic music, or even EDM, it dedicate to Electro - breakbeat style of EDM. if you don't understand it, so I pity you. EM and EDM kinda different things, there are not much common, except synthesizers. Are you really think that KS, Pierre Boulez, Pierre Schaeffer, Daphe Oram, JMJ, Bas Broekhuis, Detlef Keller, Mario Schonwalder have any common with Newcleus, Goldie, Skream, Dj Sneak, Deadmau5, Markus Schulz or Mandroid and Drexciya?

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So, we are even eliminating Kraftwerk from Electro now, unless they do the specific type of Electro that carries the EE seal of approval. OK. LOL!!!

Why we would do this? Is this really hard to understand that musicians can produce different music styles in different periods? KW started with krautROCK, continued with experemental electronic known as Dusseldorf School of EM, turned to pop with synth pop & electro.

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BTW... that Wiki description of Disco is almost as stupid as the description of Electro is!

Please write not stupid.

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So the Man Machine album is not Elactro then. So what is it, Disco?

Album - not, some tracks - yes.

About disco from Wiki: "Musical influences include funk, Latin and soul music. The disco sound has soaring, often reverberated vocals over a steady "four-on-the-floor" beat, an eighth note (quaver) or 16th note (semi-quaver) hi-hat pattern with an open hi-hat on the off-beat, and a prominent, syncopated electric bass line sometimes consisting of octaves. The Fender Jazz Bass is often associated with disco bass lines, because the instrument itself has a very prominent "voice" in the musical mix. In most disco tracks, strings, horns, electric pianos, and electric guitars create a lush background sound. Orchestral instruments such as the flute are often used for solo melodies, and lead guitar is less frequently in disco than in rock. Many disco songs employ the use of electronic instruments such as synthesizers."

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[*]Electro= All Electronic Music...period!

Are DM - Electro Synth, Goldie - Electro DNB, Armin van Buure - Electro Trance? You probably at wrong forum with you crazy ideas. Do you see sections with electro by decades and separately one with other EDM?

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So anything that doesn't follow that formula or fall under this specific definition is not Electro?

Absolutely Every style his own borders and specifics. For example: wheh Juan Atkins remove break from his music, it became techno, or KW don't use that specific rhythm pattern it's just synthy.

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KW did NOT invent Electro. They pioneered and indeed revolutionized it, but it existed before them. It was only a matter of time before somebody put some funky beats under it. In fact, there were already cats making funky electronic, synthesized music before them, though often with real drums and much less sequencing.

As for a prototype of Electro, this springs to mind, but I believe that there are even earlier examples.

There is the defenition of Electro: "Electro is when the drum patterns tend to be electronic emulations of breakbeats, with kick drums, and usually a snare or clap accenting the downbeat. Its average tempo is between 120 and 140 BPM, its syncopated rhythm is fundamentally built on the base model "kick-snare-kick-kick-snare-kick" whose typical example is the piece of Kraftwerk's "Numbers'. Sound is characterized by the use of analog sound synthesis for writing tracks and abundant inclusions of the effects of echo, delay, reverb, vocoder-treated vocals and lyrics on the sci-fi and futuristic theme." That formula was created by Kraftwerk, that transformed afro-american soul/funk to german machine/robotic music started with TEE. It's far away from synthesizer funk/boogie. And Bambaata just bring it back to roots a little, started funky/hip-hop side of Electro.

Quote from Cozmo D;64828

We danced to it in Brooklyn. It rocked many a party. It was a breakbeat staple.

Just for information: when i wrote that with TEE Kraftwerk created electro and start produce more danceble music, some people wrote in response: What? Are you insane, how to dance to this music? KW is conceptual electronic group.... White people more concentrated on melody.

And what are you guys want to find out in this topic? I read some interesting details, but they do not change nothing: KW was influenced by soul/funk, invited electro formula etc. - it's a fact, may be if KW don't do it, Juan Atkins do or sombody else, but i don't think so

Is it possible that this composition was prototype of electro? what do think?

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Starchild How do you want to call all our "boom tchack" electro under one umbrella? This Forum will be call Electo/funk/bass/techno/idm/ Empire, or ...?

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How can you say that Kraftwerk 1 is not Krautrock?

Where I can't say it. But there are no this stuff in Der Catalog! Why? Because is not official, how i know Rolf&Florian don't like talking about this period and staying out of it.

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and more importantly, how can you say history is irrelevant? If the word Electro was used before the 80s, then obviously that means something...the history of our music is the most important thing for us to figure out, otherwise, we are like a sailing ship without a compass!

The history of term is irrelevant, not history.

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Why is it so hard to see that 80s "Electro" is Electro-Funk, and is a sub-genre of Electro-nic music?

Yep, and ...?

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It's only important if you wonder about the roots of the short term "Electro" in music
and why Bambaataa called his music Electro-Funk in 1982.

Yep, history is interesting, but irrelivant in this case. Probaly term rise when a lot of electro production come to world and people realized was electro is: created by Kraftwerk, pushed by AB, Cybotron/Atkins etc

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In their early phase Kraftwerk mostly used traditional rock instruments
such as electric guitar, drums, organ, flute etc.

I'm talking about official kraftwerk, not pre-Kraftwerk Kraftwerk. There are no krautROCK in official discography!

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Not saying that this proves that there was a certain style promoted only as "Electro" prior to 1983, but it's pretty clear that the term was definitly around and used in those days. At least over here...

Why it so impotant? I think it's absolutely irrelevant for description what electro is! All terms formed much later styles itself. When Kraftwerk created electro formula, it still be electronic/synthetic pop untill Bambaata created his mashup and call it electrofunk.

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Although at the same time they also call Kraftwerk, CAN and Tangerine Dream "a special kind of Krautrock", "esotheric electronic" and even "Trance-Music". (1975!) Would be interesting to find more articles from those days and a few years later 1975~1982. (Especially american articles describing the "Autobahn" sound.)

Official Kraftwerk never be a Krautrock group, they don't use rock instruments and don't play any rock forms. In world of EM lovers, Kraftwerk's music before they start pop knowing as Dusseldorf School of EM (Cluster, Harmonia, etc.) which means quirky, experimental rhythmic pieces with characteristic mechanical "motorik" rhythms.

Ask Marcus for more electro, he's the best in it from all dnb/uk garage producers.

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Im glad you cant

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Nah I'm a VHS freak All about the VHS man.

Do not lose a hope, the tapes back in the music industry, may be VHS will back in the video soon