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Quote from AITCH-SKI;38629<br>[B

And it certainly doesn't mean that techno evolved from house[/B]
Alongside as previously mentioned - I can go for that.

Then I think we've reached the natural conclusion of this discussion!

Aitch, read it again:

"Within the last 5 years or so, the Detroit underground has been experimenting with technology...... We call it techno!"

That quote is from '88. It DOESN'T mean that he only started calling it techno in'88.

And it certainly doesn't mean that techno evolved from house!

I wouldn't have thought electro heads would be so insecure that a stlye of house music called 'electro house' would worry them.

You know what house music's like - they LOVE a sub-genre. There's one called 'funky house' for example - can you imagine people in funk bands getting wound-up about it?

Quote from billy1971;38614

Wasn't the Electro heads in California calling there sound Techno in 1986.

yep. That was why there was a label called 'Techno Hop records'. (Unknown DJ's I think).

They were using the term in the mid-80's in Germany too.

In fact, the story that Juan Atkins coined the term 'techno' to describe a style of music sounds a bit innaccurate doesn't it?

Man Parrish had a record out called 'Techno Tracks' in 1982.

And Model 500's (Juan Atkins) 'No UFOs' from '85 had a 4x4 beat and certainly sounds like a natural predecessor to techno. And that was before the early house classics.

House descended from disco, and although techno shares the 4x4 beat of disco, it owes more in sound and vibe to electro and European electronic music.

There is no way that techno evolved from house. They evolved concurrently and of course, shared ideas.

Quote from AITCH-SKI;38585

"Within the last 5 years or so, the Detroit underground has been experimenting with technology, stretching it rather than simply using it. As the price of sequencers and synthesizers has dropped, so the experimentation has become more intense. Basically, we're tired of hearing about being in love or falling out, tired of the R&B system, so a new progressive sound has emerged. We call it techno!"

Juan Atkins, 1988

Precisely. The key phrase there is "Within the last 5 years or so" which means he's talking about as far back as '83. I think he even coined the term 'techno' to describe the music of Cybertron.

Quote from AITCH-SKI;38575

yeah please do

up there now me ol' fruit.

I put this in here and not the 'mixes' section as it's not electro / hip hop.

As the title suggests, the best (IMO) of acid house, mixed by me on some record players a couple of years ago:

http://soundcloud.com/beagle-8…ck-the-best-of-acid-house

I Can Dance – Fast Eddie
The Groove – Liddell Townsell
The Poke – Adonis & the Endless Pokers
That Shit’s Wild – Dr. Derelict
Hello Lover – V.L. & The Porch Monkeys
This is Acid – Maurice
Compulsion – 808 State
Drop that Bassline – Techno Grooves
Dog Dance – K.A. Posse
I’ve Lost Control – Sleezy D
Jiggerwatts – Phortune
Phuture Music – Silicone Chip
Acid Rapping (remix) – The Moody Boys
Acid Man – Jolly Roger
Dap Me – Jack Frost
Jesus Loves the Acid – Ecstacy Club
Flow Coma – 808 State
Confusion’s Revenge – Armando
Acid Tracks – Phuture
Phuture Will Survive – Phuture
Slam – Phuture Pfantasy Club
Stakker Humanoid – Humanoid
E-Talk – 808 State
Box Energy – DJ Pierre
Energy – Robot & The DJs
Different World – Hokus Pokus
Headhunters – 808 State

the 4x4 beats can be traced to disco. And the term 'techno', I'm certain, was coined before any of those house classics were made.

Of course the early producers heard those house tracks and were probably influenced in some way - but techno was already evolving on it's own in Detroit taking influences from disco and synth-pop. It in no-way shape or form evolved from house music.

Quote from AITCH-SKI;38567

House music came first & all the other styles formed AFTER it - you know it's correct so why disregard what I have said? Always contradicting what people say

I only contradict when what people say is wrong. And you are wrong. Techno evolved independently of house music in a different city. Read up on the history.

I've got an acid mix somewhere - I'll post up a link in this section when it's uploaded.

Quote from AITCH-SKI;38564

For the record(no pun intended) techno derived/mutated from house, thus making it a "sub genre" of said musical style category.

Well, that's just untrue.

And if you're wrong about that....

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Would love to see you do a house set pal

nah, I dislike that vast majority of 'house'. I'd do a crackin' acid house set though!

Quote from AITCH-SKI;38540

The tune is neither techno OR house but tribal, this was all I was trying to point out.

I'll have to politely disagree there mate. Isn't 'Tribal' just a sub-genre, a name to describe a certain style of techno?

That Beltram track, be it 'tribal', 'trance', 'acid' or whatever, is 'techno'.

He's from Chicago, but I guess it's included in 'house classics'.

A bonkers tune! You know how there are some records that just instantly remind you of nights spent in Memorial Park?

Quote from AITCH-SKI;38501

He did it, he knows.........ssshhhhhhhhhh

He's not Detriot though.

I hope Beltram doesn't find out!

Quote from Eclectro;38456

To me 'Detroit Techno' is 88/89 & that's where it should stay.

what about all the Detroit techno that's been made in the years since?

Quote from AITCH-SKI;38177

The Beltram track is a corker man - I was merely commending you on choice of track. Not rocket science
As for branding it "techno" it's not techno at all. Nah man - I would put this in a tribal set, never a techno set. It's not techno

Fascism - take a chill pill The tune is top drawer

That Beltram isn't techno? Well I never!

How about this beast from Detroit:

[ame='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDvQnxULvn0']

yeah, that's an insane amount of work. Unbelievable how he got everything sounding so similar.

Although I can be a fussy bugger (especially with hip hop), I do actually have very eclectic tastes!

they would have paid for sample use where needed, without a doubt.